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dorothxl Reply #1, 14 years, 11 months ago
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!" - Albert Einstein !
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Pff yes patriotism was many times i history abused by some ppl who had and wanted even more power
I could talk a lot about this but my country suffered the pain of war in early 90.
And the two things kept us alive , even without supplies and weapons , was that patriotism and hope
So its kind discussable to talking about it.
But i can tell one thing .The person who told this,Albert Einstein , has no right to talk about patriotism. What can he possibly know about patriotism??? He abandon his country and he join Americans (pure betrayal)
How can person which idea of atomic bomb (project Manhattan) was used to massacre Japanese people talk about nonsense violence How??? I'll tell you. He is just another HYPOCRITE .
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Imperial Reply #3, 14 years, 11 months agoIn my opinion Albert presents a pacifist attitude in this quotation. When Hitler took over the government in germany in 1933, Einstein stayed in america because of his Jewish background. Nazis burnt his books and writings and if he would have moved back to germany...he was not welcome in germany so I dont think he was a betrayer.
I think patriotism is often connected with war. If you dont fight for your country you are a traitor. The other way around, governments use patriotism to encourage the country to fight wars. So, patriotism can be the root of wars. And actually an extreme form of patriotism encouraged Hitler to start WW II didn't it? :/ -
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KgB Mari Reply #4, 14 years, 11 months ago@aureus
wtf do you say man.
Einstein didnt wanted to betray his country. After the Nazis took over in germany, he (as a jew) was not longer desirable there.
These words he said because of the exaggerated patriotism in europe, that was followed by the 1. WW, and i agree with him^^
AND he didnt worked at the project manhatten, he just warned that germany could constuct a atomic bomb. He totally was a pacifist, and supported disarmament. -
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You're having wrong idea of being Jew in Nazi Germany
They weren't hunted because religion or some other difference
it old story as usual it was about money
Hitler needed refunds for incoming war , and it was easiest way to confiscate it from wealthy Jews who are well known bankers ,traders and owners of manufactures etc. (like today in U.S.A ,they are real government in shadows pulling all strings with all other wealthy corporation leaders ..it was always about someone interest)
Even in *that* Germany they were useful to their country . And some were spared by *that* system, but it's was never publicly told that there was bond between Jews and German leadership cos *that* system worked contradictory to this fact .
Yes holocaust existed but it wasn't just like that you said....it's not black and white, it never was
Yes it's easy to talk about peace after Hiroshima/Nagasaki
It was pure genocide over Japanese people ,nobody would admit it. We only remember that Enola Gay brought end of second WW
But we are always listening stories about holocaust and awful things that were done to Jews but nothing about suffering of other side
That's just one of many evidences that cliche *history is written by victors* is pure truth
We know only lies they served us
it's just fog to cover many shameful things they done in war